So, at a command line on my R5D1 install, it looks like I can just run apt-get dist-upgrade and get a whole bunch of new packages, including myth 0.20. Is there any reason from a "your KnoppMyth install will be screwed up for future installers" perspective to not do that, or, once it's installed, can I just periodically "apt-get upgrade" to keep the whole deal up to date like any other apt-based system? It doesn't explicitly say in the manual I quickly skimmed, and it's not entirely clear to me if there are other install scripts that aren't integrated into the .debs.

Thanks much.

It would be best to aviod this, as there are a number of KnoppMyth customisations that will screwed if you do this. Plus cesman's kernal is a custom kernal as well.

This option is very dangerous, proceed at your own will.

Goodluck

apt-get dist-upgrade would be sucide ;)

If you have a fresh install and don't mind doing a reinstall you should give it a shot post
and back with "the horror, the horror"

your saga of untangling the knot would make for some good entertainment..

Eh, it'd didn't break anything obvious. It also didn't complete, though, due to a few X-related conflicts...

Hi,

You want to play with apt-get, just do it carefully as with many things in life.
I load a lot of stuff into my KM and so far only one package bit me because of a change that I didn't notice. You can use the Synaptic package manager, but only for shopping. I use it get the correct label so when I do the apt-get install that I spell the package name correctly.

After you have done your apt-get update, then do your apt-get install package. ie
# apt-get install gedit (nice edit tool)
it should ask you if it is ok...
0 upgraded, (#) newly installed, 0 to remove and ### not upgraded.
If the upgraded or to remove aren't 0 do a control c and abort. So far there is only one exception that I allowed, setserial. It upgrades 1 package but also it only installs 1 package, a new version of it's self.
I load mozilla, mozilla-thunderbird, dia, gedit, gtkterm, mgetty, minicom, gimp, saytime, gramps, xmms, id3v2, myspell-en-us, ftp, proftpd, openoffice.org, flashplugin-nonfree, freemind, (needs source.list addition for freemind), xpdf and a few other things I forget at this moment. I don't just watch tv with my KnoppMyth machine

Mike

So, I guess I'm wondering why only the Eartoaster release (on R5D1) is pinned at 600, while other packages that are relevant and maybe "could" break something aren't pinned. Seems like it wouldn't be a huge deal to keep an "knoppmyth_apt_configuration" package at one of the mirrors which installs a new /etc/apt/preferences when some of the Debian-provided packages need to be allowed to go to a newer version... I guess that'd be a potential hassle for people like mjl, though, who use their box for more things...

Hi,

No hassle for me as I am not forced to do any upgrades or apt gets I add the tools so I don't have to six computer running to do the little things between shows the kids and wife watch.

But your point about an apt-get for an up dated tweak for for KM between releases is a good point. I was going to throw a simular shoe out as when something is discovered as minor / major flaw why there couldn't be something conjured up to make an simple downable put it into place fix?

Ubuntu when I log on, checks something / somewhere and l am notified of updates/patches available. My choice to use them.

TrixBox has a simular script that you run manually to check for "enhancements" and it will rebuild the entire system if need be.

With all the skills I have seen here the form, I am a little surprised the Cecil hasn't come up with something or the many folks that also help haven't offered something he might be able to use.

It is great stuff no matter how we tweak it
Mike

Perhaps he's a bit too busy.
But remember even the fixes need to be tested, otherwise you end up with the X problem that some people had with Ubuntu. I had a similar problem with Suse 9.x where updating the kernel broke the nVidia drivers.

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Hi,
I am sure you are very correct! One can only invision the hours that have been put into KnoppMyth to bring to it's current state. I won't call it work because it is labor without pay.

As "Steve,the http://ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54" mentions, you have to patch the kernal, compile the the binary, check your dependancies, and in an already full day may be more than can be acomplished currently. However, one does have to admit that it would be a very nice step forward.

Mike

I haven't really played with this enough to know exactly what happens with an upgrade (and, with a day job as a sysadmin, and about 14 other non-knoppmyth machines on my home network, I spend enough time working on systems that I probably won't), but the upgrade process is already pretty automated, right? Apt/dpkg is pretty powerful, and if it's just a matter of running a few scripts, this could all be bundled into a package or two fairly easily. I'm big on utilizing the capabilities of existing software and bending to integrate into the current system - others prefer to roll their own. I unfortunately just don't have the free time to contribute the required work. So, I fully understantd why no one else has done it eithr...

I'll be honest, the only reasons I went with KnoppMyth were that lirc and ivtv are already set up, and that there's a clear upgrade path. Making the upgrade even easier would sure be cool - but after killing several hours unsucessfully trying to build lirc on a different Debian-derived system, I'm content to let most anything slide - including apt being configured differently than the way I would have prefered.

Hi,

An actual KM version upgrade is a complete wipe / reinstall of the os partition. The media is protected (ignored) so with a proper backup, all is saved. If it was an Auto Install, then an Auto Upgrade works well.

If one follows tjc's guide to upgrading to do a backup, most upgrades are relatively painless. Unless you use your machine for most everthing as I do, then the pain gets a little stronger as I rebuild the "non KM" part of my system and have to re-intergrate it.
I was just looking at how others are doing upgrades and tweaks that seem to work painless / almost painless and at worse case, if the kernel was upgraded, you have to reboot. (oh boo hoo

KnoppMyth has that level of quality to it that just makes it seem logical to be the next step.

Have a great day!
Mike