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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:23 pm 
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Can i add a third disk? i have two ribbon cables, each with two ATA connections. on has two HDs and the second has two optical drives.

I dont need two optical drives, but I'm pretty sure I dont wanna hang a HD off of the same cable as my DVD drive, did I read the the HD would perform poorly?

How do I attach the drive tot eh MOBO? do I need a PCI ATA card? does such a thing exist? Am I off base here, am I limited to two drives?

That 400GB dist sure looks nice.

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You don't want to mix fast and slow drives if you can help it, since everything on that IDE channel is limited by the slowest device, but you can in a pinch. Otherwise you're going to need an add in disk controller or to take advantage of other channles on the board (like SATA). Since this is a PATA drive you're looking at a speed hit or a card that could add substantially to the cost.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:59 pm 
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tjc wrote:
You don't want to mix fast and slow drives if you can help it, since everything on that IDE channel is limited by the slowest device, but you can in a pinch. Otherwise you're going to need an add in disk controller or to take advantage of other channles on the board (like SATA). Since this is a PATA drive you're looking at a speed hit or a card that could add substantially to the cost.


Disclaimer: I haven't checked to see if the current KnoppMyth supports USB-based storage.

With that said, on other machines, primarily for heat/fan/power supply reasons, I often add drives using external USB 2.0 enclosures and/or adapters like this one: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?in ... -N&cat=HDD

Either way, fast and you don't have to risk toasting something inside the box.

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I also have four devices in my box on two IDE ports. I have one optical (DVD-RW) and three hard drives in an LVM array. I was concerned about performance so I used hdparm to test the speed of the drives and found to my surprise that the drives bench identically whether paired with the "slow" DVD drive or another hard disk. I think maybe the speed degradation only happens when both devices are in use. My optical is rarely used so I haven't noticed a hit in performance.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:35 am 
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Disclaimer: I haven't checked to see if the current KnoppMyth supports USB-based storage.

It should since USB storage been a part of the Linux kernel for a while now. I should probably just plug something in and ty it to be sure...

However the one problem with USB storage that I've seen is that it uses a bunch of CPU cycles. When I do something as simple as copy photos from a USB2 CF drive on my workstation it makes the CPU work hard enough and generate enough heat that the CPU fan steps up two speeds... :shock:

BTW - Liv2cod have you looked to see if your DVD drive is a slow device. I know my DVD ROM is limited to UDMA2... If you've got a 16x double layer drive it might be faster...


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I just checked my Pioneer DVD-RW and it's UDMA2 as well.

For fun, I just ran hdparm -tT on my drive and it reports:

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/dev/hda:
Timing buffer-cache reads: 128 MB in 0.12 seconds =1066.67 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 1.09 seconds = 58.72 MB/sec


That's just as good as the other pair of drives on /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd so I'm a happy camper.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:44 pm 
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Western Digital 250GB WD2500JBRTL UATA100 8MB Buffer
After Rebate: $ 89.99

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/3620115

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