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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:16 pm |
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Human wrote: I've seen that before, but it's used by a friend of mine who doesn't use mice. Is it still possible to use a mouse with ratpoison? If the mouse won't work, then the web browser and Democracy will not work. Also, Cecil configures some nice default menus and keyboard shortcuts for Xfce so that people can easily launch applications. Would ratpoison support that? Human - I use rat poison on a FE only system and you can indeed create custom key maps. Since my FE is just that (a FE only) I have not tried to customize the key map. All I need is a remote key mapped to Code: pkill xinit if Myth misbehaves. Take a look at the rat poison manual for info on how. I believe the Key Map and Hook section would satisfy your question. Now, as far as a mouse goes . . . this quote from LinuxPlanet sums it up: Quote: Ratpoison, for those of you unaware, is an incredibly simple window manager that does the least possible with X it can get away with. In other words, it runs the display and that's it. As the name implies, there is no mouse support in Ratpoison and if you go looking for it, the developers will likely laugh at you out of hand. There are no namby-pamby window decorations, either. You get a terminal window from which to run X apps if you need them and a set of useful keyboard commands and that's it. Bold emphasis mine.
This page and this page were helpful to me in configuring my rat trap.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:46 am |
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Quote: As the name implies, there is no mouse support in Ratpoison and if you go looking for it, the developers will likely laugh at you out of hand.
 In that case, wouldn't it be incompatible with things like Democracy player, and probably MythBrowser, which are designed to be used with mice?
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:31 am |
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Human wrote: :) In that case, wouldn't it be incompatible with things like Democracy player, and probably MythBrowser, which are designed to be used with mice?
Can't say. I don't use those features. 
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:56 pm |
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Competition?! What competition? I wasn't aware there was another Linux Distro that allowed one to get MythTV up and running in less than 20 minutes or supported as much hardware out the box.
Having a GUI doesn't mean better or professional. During most of the KnoppMyth install, you don't have to do anything, so who cares about GUI vs text. This being said, R6 will have a GUI installer.
I've not looked at MythDora or any other MythTV specific distro. We are already working on R6 and have specific things in mind.
Don't ask about R6, just let us work on it. Details will come when we are closer to a release.
When KnoppMyth boots, it takes you directly to MythTV. If you use bootsplash, you see no text. Once X and fluxbox start, you only see the "desktop" for a few seconds at best. If anyone if following -fixes, you'll see that some improves have gone into MythTV in terms of theme handling making this process quicker and less memory hungry. I'm working on an update to F1 that includes the latest -fixes.
If there is a graphical inclined person out there that wants to help great! Contact me.
Random R6 teasers:
Built for speed! We want to get it up and running in as little a time a possible.
i586 and x86_64 (i586 first followed by 64 bit version).
Updates will be over the network.
GUI installer.
Support for more hardware.
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:07 pm |
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Recently, I spent weeks with three different setups. I got them all running and recording. I played with a couple more, but they are not worth mentioning. KnoppMyth was the clear winner, but the others have a least one compelling aspect.
Ubuntu:
Following the awesome guide at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV, I learned tons of good stuff along the way. I still reference this guide to fix and tweak KnoppMyth. The compelling aspect of MythTV on Ubuntu is the awesome package repository of Ubuntu (plus 64-bit option) and the wealth of support available on the general distribution. Otherwise, it's a long and often painful process to get MythTV running and tweaked under Ubuntu.
MythDora:
In some ways it is a more ambitious installer than KnoppMyth, but the maturity is very low and it lacks lots of the great features of KnoppMyth. I hope they keep at it... it should mature in time. I wanted MythDora to work out since I have a RedHat background. But, it was not to be.
KnoppMyth:
Hands down winner.
The high points: Fastest install with best hardware detection/configuration, most install options, best collection of Myth extras installed, R5F1 is very stable and fast/efficient on my hardware, backup/restore scripts, best/most active/helpful community, stuff you may need is installed and preconfigured (samba, nfs, etc...), known good hardware configurations (Dragon) and the list goes on.
The low points: For me, Debian based is a low point. Adding additional packages is an adventure (will it still work/be stable?). With a background in RedHat, I did not know how to do some of the basics on the command line (set the timezone, fix networking, etc...) and there is no GUI or documentation to make it quick/easy. After the install, it was hard to reconfigure/change things. It would be nice to have all the KnoppMyth scripts begin with something like "km-" so that you can quickly figure out what you can reconfigure and such.
My personal wish is for a Mythbuntu or some such thing where KnoppMyth uses a Ubuntu core. However, I have seen past postings about this and it seems that it is not to be. At this point, I'm done looking around. I am committed to KnoppMyth where ever Cecil decides to take it. Thanks for the great distribution!
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:10 pm |
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I'll add my vote for KM. F1 is great and the easiest install yet. MythDora 4.0 is pretty, but took me an hour to install and still didn't work out for me. Much more complicated to install, just as Cecil earlier said.
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cecil
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:10 am |
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nharris wrote: Recently, I spent weeks with three different setups. I got them all running and recording. I played with a couple more, but they are not worth mentioning. KnoppMyth was the clear winner, but the others have a least one compelling aspect.
:D nharris wrote: My personal wish is for a Mythbuntu or some such thing where KnoppMyth uses a Ubuntu core. However, I have seen past postings about this and it seems that it is not to be. At this point, I'm done looking around. I am committed to KnoppMyth where ever Cecil decides to take it. Thanks for the great distribution!
Well, there is suppose to be a "MythBuntu" in the works. There is also a Ubuntu Media Center (or whatever it is called) based on Elisa. However, you won't be seeing KnoppMyth with an Ubuntu core. Thanks for the vote of confidence!
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:29 pm |
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cecil wrote: Don't ask about R6, just let us work on it. Details will come when we are closer to a release.
cecil wrote: Random R6 teasers: Built for speed! We want to get it up and running in as little a time a possible. i586 and x86_64 (i586 first followed by 64 bit version). Updates will be over the network. GUI installer. Support for more hardware.
must....
resist...
urge...
to ask...
>ARRRRRrrrrrgggghhhh!!!!<
That's almost mean teasing us like that.

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ik632
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:45 pm |
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Every time we go through this it makes me think of the scene in Fight Club where they go over the rules of Fight Club...
The first rule of R6 is you don't talk about R6.
The second rule or R6 is you don't talk about R6.
hahaha 
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stevetv
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:50 am |
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cecil wrote: i586 and x86_64 (i586 first followed by 64 bit version).
err..sorry.... why i586? does this not mean pentium class processor.. ie.. like 66mhz...
forgive me.. i know this is a idiot question.
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Human
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:16 am |
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stevetv wrote: err..sorry.... why i586? does this not mean pentium class processor.. ie.. like 66mhz...
IIRC, the i586-compiled code performed nearly identically to the i686-compiled code on most modern CPUs, so the i686-compiled code was dropped. (It was also incompatible with certain VIA CPUs, if memory serves.)
The i XYZ just refers to the way the code was compiled to take advantage of a specific class of CPU. Code compiled as i386 will run on a Pentium Pro (p6 or i686) because of the Pentium Pro's backward compatibility, but the reverse is not true.
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