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 Post subject: FiOS 15/15 service
PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:59 pm 
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Verizon isn't advertising this very well, so I thought I'd post and let people know that I got the 15Mbps symmetric FiOS service recently, and it rocks. Seeding the R5F27 ISO is fun :) Cost in my area is $70/month, though I've heard it's $65 in some areas.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:18 am 
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Thanks for the tip.
I just upgraded mine to 15/15

There are some steeper discounts for new customers too.

1st month free
2-7 months $55
8+ months $65

Too bad Verizon doesn't enable FireWire output on their STBs or I would have ordered TV too.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:23 am 
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spalVl wrote:
Too bad Verizon doesn't enable FireWire output on their STBs or I would have ordered TV too.

If they don't, then they're violating an FCC regulation: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422 ... 76.640.pdf

You can demand a STB with usable firewire and cite 47 CFR 76.640(b)(4)(ii) if they don't do it.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:09 pm 
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You guys are just teasing us here in Aussie Land :cry:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:14 pm 
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It's sure nice, but we're still behind most of the rest of the world: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20 ... 9mbps.html

(I'm very sorry that Australia doesn't even appear in the top 11.)

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 5:03 pm 
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Human wrote:
spalVl wrote:
Too bad Verizon doesn't enable FireWire output on their STBs or I would have ordered TV too.

If they don't, then they're violating an FCC regulation: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422 ... 76.640.pdf

You can demand a STB with usable firewire and cite 47 CFR 76.640(b)(4)(ii) if they don't do it.

I'm pretty sure that rule only applies to "cable" providers. So far Verizon FiOS and ATT U-Verse have held that they are not cable providers, and therefore are not bound by cable regulations. The satellite providers are also exempted from providing firewire outputs or cablecard slots for their STBs. It's sad, but you can only demand a firewire connection from cable providers like Commiecast.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:48 pm 
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Doh double post...


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:50 pm 
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Liv2Cod wrote:
Human wrote:
spalVl wrote:
Too bad Verizon doesn't enable FireWire output on their STBs or I would have ordered TV too.

If they don't, then they're violating an FCC regulation: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422 ... 76.640.pdf

You can demand a STB with usable firewire and cite 47 CFR 76.640(b)(4)(ii) if they don't do it.

I'm pretty sure that rule only applies to "cable" providers. So far Verizon FiOS and ATT U-Verse have held that they are not cable providers, and therefore are not bound by cable regulations. The satellite providers are also exempted from providing firewire outputs or cablecard slots for their STBs. It's sad, but you can only demand a firewire connection from cable providers like Commiecast.


From my brief research I believe Liv2Cod is right. For now they don't have to adhere to those rules.
But I found head of the FCC's email address and emailed him. Can't hurt to to tell them taxpayers appreciate the FCC's work.
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Hello Mr. Martin, I just wanted to thank you and the FCC for the regulations
placed on Cable providers to enable FireWire (IEEE 1394) output on their set
top boxes. This has allowed myself and my family to enter the digital age
quickly with a standards based interface enabled on the STB.

I'd also like the express my desire to see similar legislation imposed on
Telcos and Satellite TV service providers like Verizon and DirectTV. Right now
Verizon and DIRECTV do not enable the IEEE 1394 interfaces while using many of
the same 3rd party STBs as the CableCos. They don't even offer it for an
additional fee. I feel such legislation expanded that all providers enable FireWire
would promote a more completive landscape and improve innovation by all
providers.

Thank you,


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:56 pm 
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Liv2Cod wrote:
I'm pretty sure that rule only applies to "cable" providers. So far Verizon FiOS and ATT U-Verse have held that they are not cable providers, and therefore are not bound by cable regulations. The satellite providers are also exempted from providing firewire outputs or cablecard slots for their STBs. It's sad, but you can only demand a firewire connection from cable providers like Commiecast.

I knew the satellite providers were exempt because, well, space is outside the jurisdiction of the FCC, but I was under the impression that Verizon was still bound by the same digital cable laws. This seems to support that: http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6464393.html They're asking the FCC for an extension on their Cablecard implementation, which it doesn't seem that they'd do if the FCC didn't regulate them.

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OBTW - Point of terminology, only the legislators (elected congressmen and senators) legislate (pass laws), appointed bureaucrats like the FCC commissioners regulate (create rules and regulations) within the scope set out by those laws. It might seem like a minor distinction but it's the type of thing people like that are _acutely_ conscious of and even prickly about.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:14 pm 
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I may be getting somewhere on the FIOS firewire issue. I recieved a FCC complaint case number and spoke with a Verizon rep that was willing to listen and escalated the issue internally with the info Human provided.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:16 pm 
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Awesome :) Keep us posted.

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It'd be awesome if we could get the new-fangled IPTV providers to follow the same rules and give us a firewire output port. My provider (Paxio) doesn't have IPTV yet, but I can't complain about my internet speed...

100/100 :shock: :D :shock:

P.S. You have no idea how hard it is to find a firewall/router that will sustain that speed!

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Liv2Cod wrote:
my internet speed...

100/100

I encourage you to help seed the next ISO :)

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Liv2Cod wrote:
P.S. You have no idea how hard it is to find a firewall/router that will sustain that speed!


We feel REAL bad for you ;)

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