Hi,

I have performed an install of Knoppmyth, and everything is OK when using a monitor, but when trying to switch over to using the S-video output X11 goes to load but then goes to a black screen. All TV output is lost. The boot up comes up fine, and in colour (color to those on the other side of the pond).

Things I have done:

Changed BIOS to be PAL

Changed XF86Config-4 to have the following line:
Option "TVStandard" "PAL-I"

Changed lilo.conf to have the following line first
vga=normal
Then did the lilo -v

Now I have made these changes I can no longer get output to monitor - out of range.

Any help pointing me in right direction is very much appreciated.

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use ctrl+alt+F2 to get to console edit XF86Config-4 to have vert refresh of 60 and reboot.

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Sorry I also meant to include fact I had changed XF86Config-4 HorizSync to 30-50 and VertRefresh to 60.

Doing Ctl - Alt - F2 or F1 has no effect, so I am unable to get into the console at the moment.

I can now either re-install to get past the no console access, but even then I am not sure why I am losing TV output when it loads into X11.

thanks

Sorry - it would be helpful if I said the hardware I am using:

Epia Ezra 8000
Modulartech TV card (have installed Knoppmyth with and without this card in, and neither makes a difference to getting TV output)

thats it! just a standard install with nothing complicated, but I can find no missing settings from any of the docs/wiki/forum :/

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Isn't the sync rate different for PAL?

OBTW - Go look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see if it's even finding any working modelines. This happens when the TV can't sync to the signal being provided by the viseo card.

A software tuner in an Epia... Ouch!

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cesman

When the source is open, the possibilities are endless!

Thanks for your posts.

I have tried different sync rates, as found for PAL from other users, but this made no difference. I have also tried a few other settings mirrored from other Epia users, again no difference :/

Here are the monitor, screen and device sections from the XF86Config-4

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
# Option "DPMS" "true"
# Option "TVStandard" "PAL-I"
# HorizSync 28.0 - 78.0 # Warning: This may fry very old Monitors
HorizSync 30 - 50 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors
VertRefresh 60 # Very conservative. May flicker.
# VertRefresh 50.0 - 62.0 # Extreme conservative. Will flicker. TFT default.
# Mode "800x600"
# Default modes distilled from
# "VESA and Industry Standards and Guide for Computer Display Monitor
# Timing", version 1.0, revision 0.8, adopted September 17, 1998.
# $XFree86: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/etc/vesamodes,v 1.4 1999/11/18 16:52:17 tsi Exp $
# 640x350 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "640x350" 31.5 640 672 736 832 350 382 385 445 +hsync -vsync
# 640x400 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "640x400" 31.5 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445 -hsync +vsync
# 720x400 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "720x400" 35.5 720 756 828 936 400 401 404 446 -hsync +vsync
# 640x480 @ 60Hz (Industry standard) hsync: 31.5kHz
ModeLine "640x480" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync
# 640x480 @ 72Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -hsync -vsync
# 640x480 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.5kHz
ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync
# 640x480 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 43.3kHz
ModeLine "640x480" 36.0 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -hsync -vsync
# 800x600 @ 56Hz (VESA) hsync: 35.2kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync
# 800x600 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
# 800x600 @ 72Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.1kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 50.0 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync
# 800x600 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 46.9kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync
# 800x600 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 53.7kHz
ModeLine "800x600" 56.3 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync
# 1024x768i @ 43Hz (industry standard) hsync: 35.5kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1032 1208 1264 768 768 776 817 +hsync +vsync Interlace
# 1024x768 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.4kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
# 1024x768 @ 70Hz (VESA) hsync: 56.5kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
# 1024x768 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 60.0kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync
# 1024x768 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 68.7kHz
ModeLine "1024x768" 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772
EndSection

Section "Device"
### Available Driver options are:-
# sw_cursor is needed for some ati and radeon cards
#Option "sw_cursor"
#Option "hw_cursor"
#Option "NoAccel"
#Option "ShowCache"
#Option "ShadowFB"
#Option "UseFBDev"
#Option "Rotate"
Identifier "Card0"
#Option "PanelSize" "800x600"
Option "TVType" "PAL"
Option "TVVScan" "over"
Option "TVOutput" "Composite"
Option "ActiveDevice" "CRT,TV"
# The following line is auto-generated by KNOPPIX mkxf86config
Driver "via"
VendorName "All"
BoardName "All"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultColorDepth 16
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection


The XFree log shows 2 things:

### Extract ###

(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
(EE) No devices detected.

Fatal server error:
no screens found

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Cesman - I know about the tv card, it was 1 i had lying around and just wanted to get the system working before spending money on a spangly 350

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Getting TV out working isn't all that hard but it often takes a bit of work. If you're not one of the lucky people for whom it "just works" then you've really got to put in the work to get results. Trying to cheese it is only going to frustrate you, and trying to use NTSC settings for a PAL TV will leave you tearing your hair out.

- Determine the right sync rate and display resolution(s) for your PAL TV.

- Go to the modeline generator page at sourceforge and generate the mode lines you need for those sync rates and resolutions.

- Plug those modelines into your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 an read enough of man XF86Config-4 and more /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README to get a feel for the files layout and TV options.

- Set your TV options in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 using the applicalble PAL standard and output type.



- In the Screen ection set your DefaultColorDepth (generally to 24) and then makes sure that the Display sbsection for that Depth lists the right Modes (these names correspond to the names of your Modeline from the Monitor section)

As you can see this gets mildly complicated, and is a far more complex subject than I can cover here so read the man page and the readme file mentioned above.

thanks for the advice tjc

As I am a user of linux who hasnt recompiled a kernel, this puts me firmly in the Newbie bracket!

I shall go through the man pages, and continue to try lots of what seems to be conflicting information on sites/forums.

I am sure I am close to an answer, its is just 1 hell of a frustrating state!

Mark

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