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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:25 pm |
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Can all of a 1080i signal be displayed on a standard television? I just got my HD-5000 last week and I'm still trying to get it looking right. All of my channels broadcasting in 1080i cut of a portion of the right side. No adjustment of aspect override will bring it into view.
Before I waste too much more time on the impossible, is this even theoretically possible?
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:38 pm |
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should be possible. I was displaying all my hd stuff at 640x480 through svid on my TV till I got my hdmi -> dvi cable. It was on an hdtv, but I was only sending the signal in sd, so it should be the same on a sdtv.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:32 am |
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That is exactly what I am trying to do. I want to display HD via S-video to my TV.
Were you able to display the entire video or did you live with having the some of the content off the edge of the screen?
Were there any tricks that you remember to get it to display? Would this involve any X settings, such as TVStandard?
I was trying to set TVStandard to HD480i last night but I could not get a working modeline. I have tried every variation of 480x480, 640x480 and 800x600 with it set to NTSC-M and the video is always cut off on the right. I have also tried setting the aspect override and w key. I played with the seperate video for gui / video but I realy didn't understand it, all I ended up with was extra wide video and more of it cut off on the left.
Any input on this would be greatly appreciated, even if it is just a hint as to what area I should be looking in.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:32 am |
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everything was on the screen and I didn't do anything special with the settings.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:03 pm |
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Doh! I just re-read your post. I missed that you were displaying to a HDTV. I think the problem that I'm seeing will be specific to 4:3 TVs.
On your TV with S-Video or HDMI cable, do you still have to set aspect ratio each time you change the channel, or does the TV pick up the change and adjust accordingly?
Thanks
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:16 pm |
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well when I was using svid it would show all hdtv content letterboxed. Now that I am using dvi I just use the 16:9 aspect ratio and everything seems to work properly. I do get black bars on the side if I have sd content recorded on an hd source though.
note that yes the 4:3 content is stretched, but doesn't bother me enough to try to infuriate the GF with switching aspect ratio's all the time.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:01 pm |
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I know what you mean. I did map the blue key on my remote to the w key so I could easily switch aspect ratios. I think if I never point it out to my wife, she won't notice.
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:46 am |
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Follow up.
A member on the mythtv users mail list, reccomended that I use a 720x480 modeline. This helped some. I now am able to use the 16:9 stretch aspect override and get most of the 16:9 picture on the screen. The best part is it nolonger cuts off a bunch of the right side. It cuts some off of the left and some off of the right.
I thought of something on the drive in this morning. I might try another modeline that is 16:9 based on the 640 width. That would be 640x360.
I'll report back the results.
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I've got a system with dual HD-3000's and an MSI Nvidia 6200-TC connected to my analog TV via S-Video.
I've never done any configuration to get my HD recordings to display properly. 1080i and 720p signals scale correctly for me.
I'm sure I'll have some work to do once I get an HDTV.
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:56 pm |
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This is driving me crazy.
jimdoc, are you sure you are not loosing any content on the left or the right. The lose could be subtle. The next time you are viewing a HD program, pause it, and press the w key and see if any of the displays show more content than you are seeing. There are 7 different settings.
Could you please post you XF86Config-4 file.
Thanks
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:04 pm |
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mschlott, I think I'm having the same problem as you.
I'm definitely losing a decent size chunk of content on the right side of my SD tv. I tried the different modes with 'w' and none of them modes corrects the issue.
I used the standard XF86Config-4(nvidia version) without any modification.
It's quite noticeable when a commercial comes on and the 4:3 content is (for lack of a better description) right justified.
What's REALLY odd is that CBS and NBC are offset to the right as described, but ABC is centered correctly.
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:44 pm |
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The offset seems to be dependant on the transmission for me. HD the right side would be cut off. SD digital would be centerd.
I was able toget the HD centered by using a 720x480 modeline.
Modeline "720x480@60" 26.85 720 752 848 880 480 490 495 505
If you ever come up with a fix for this, please let me know.
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:38 pm |
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Xsecrets, were you using R5B7 when you were using s-vid out? My problems started when I switched to R5B7.
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:18 pm |
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No I have had DVI since just before I moved to R5B7.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 7:21 pm |
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mschlott wrote: This is driving me crazy.
jimdoc, are you sure you are not loosing any content on the left or the right. The lose could be subtle. The next time you are viewing a HD program, pause it, and press the w key and see if any of the displays show more content than you are seeing. There are 7 different settings.
Could you please post you XF86Config-4 file.
Thanks
mike
Sorry for the delay, I've been fighting getting spdif/Dolby 5.1 working on my nforce4 mb working (I do have it working now) on my R5B7 system. I had it working on R5A26 but didn't take good notes, so it took me a while.
When viewing 4:3 content on a 1080i signal (local CBS) using 16:9 zoom mode, my image is not cropped on either the left or right side. When viewing 16:9 content I don't notice any 'extra' content in any of the other modes.
There could be a subtle overscan that I don't notice, but I compared the output of a 1080i HD broadcast displayed on my SD TV using S-Video to playback via VLC on my pc and I don't notice differences (other than resolution).
As a little clarification, I actually use the 'dragon' install. My system is very similar to the dragon.
I enter "dragon screen=800x600" at the boot screen. I've never modified the XF86Config-4 file. But here's the contents of my file.
Code: Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "XFree86 Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" # PS/2 Mouse using /dev/input/mice in Kernel 2.6 # Serial Mouse not detected InputDevice "USB Mouse" "CorePointer" EndSection
Section "ServerFlags" Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" EndSection
Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX" # Additional fonts: Locale, Gimp, TTF... FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/75dpi" # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/latin2/100dpi" # True type and type1 fonts are also handled via xftlib, see /etc/X11/XftConfig! FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-bitstream-vera" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/latex-ttf-fonts" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/CID" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/TrueType" EndSection
Section "Module" Load "ddc" # ddc probing of monitor # Load "GLcore" Load "dbe" # Load "dri" Load "extmod" Load "glx" Load "bitmap" # bitmap-fonts Load "speedo" Load "type1" Load "freetype" Load "record" EndSection
Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" Option "CoreKeyboard" Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "us"
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Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Serial Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "Microsoft" Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS0" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "Emulate3Timeout" "70" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" EndSection
Section "InputDevice" Identifier "PS/2 Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" Option "Emulate3Timeout" "70" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" EndSection
Section "InputDevice" Identifier "USB Mouse" Driver "mouse" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Buttons" "5" EndSection
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Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" Option "DPMS" "true" # HorizSync 28.0 - 78.0 # Warning: This may fry very old Monitors HorizSync 28.0 - 96.0 # Warning: This may fry old Monitors VertRefresh 50.0 - 75.0 # Very conservative. May flicker. # VertRefresh 50.0 - 62.0 # Extreme conservative. Will flicker. TFT default. # Default modes distilled from # "VESA and Industry Standards and Guide for Computer Display Monitor # Timing", version 1.0, revision 0.8, adopted September 17, 1998. # $XFree86: xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/etc/vesamodes,v 1.4 1999/11/18 16:52:17 tsi Exp $ # 640x350 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz ModeLine "640x350" 31.5 640 672 736 832 350 382 385 445 +hsync -vsync # 640x400 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz ModeLine "640x400" 31.5 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445 -hsync +vsync # 720x400 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz ModeLine "720x400" 35.5 720 756 828 936 400 401 404 446 -hsync +vsync # 640x480 @ 60Hz (Industry standard) hsync: 31.5kHz ModeLine "640x480" 25.2 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync # 640x480 @ 72Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 664 704 832 480 489 491 520 -hsync -vsync # 640x480 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.5kHz ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -hsync -vsync # 640x480 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 43.3kHz ModeLine "640x480" 36.0 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -hsync -vsync # 800x600 @ 56Hz (VESA) hsync: 35.2kHz ModeLine "800x600" 36.0 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 +hsync +vsync # 800x600 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 37.9kHz ModeLine "800x600" 40.0 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # 800x600 @ 72Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.1kHz ModeLine "800x600" 50.0 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync # 800x600 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 46.9kHz ModeLine "800x600" 49.5 800 816 896 1056 600 601 604 625 +hsync +vsync # 800x600 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 53.7kHz ModeLine "800x600" 56.3 800 832 896 1048 600 601 604 631 +hsync +vsync # 1024x768i @ 43Hz (industry standard) hsync: 35.5kHz ModeLine "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1032 1208 1264 768 768 776 817 +hsync +vsync Interlace # 1024x768 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 48.4kHz ModeLine "1024x768" 65.0 1024 1048 1184 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 1024x768 @ 70Hz (VESA) hsync: 56.5kHz ModeLine "1024x768" 75.0 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 1024x768 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 60.0kHz ModeLine "1024x768" 78.8 1024 1040 1136 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync # 1024x768 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 68.7kHz ModeLine "1024x768" 94.5 1024 1072 1168 1376 768 769 772 808 +hsync +vsync # 1152x864 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 67.5kHz ModeLine "1152x864" 108.0 1152 1216 1344 1600 864 865 868 900 +hsync +vsync # 1280x960 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 60.0kHz ModeLine "1280x960" 108.0 1280 1376 1488 1800 960 961 964 1000 +hsync +vsync # 1280x960 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 85.9kHz ModeLine "1280x960" 148.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 960 961 964 1011 +hsync +vsync # 1280x1024 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 64.0kHz ModeLine "1280x1024" 108.0 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync # 1280x1024 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 80.0kHz ModeLine "1280x1024" 135.0 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync # 1280x1024 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 91.1kHz ModeLine "1280x1024" 157.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync # 1600x1200 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 75.0kHz ModeLine "1600x1200" 162.0 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync # 1600x1200 @ 65Hz (VESA) hsync: 81.3kHz ModeLine "1600x1200" 175.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync # 1600x1200 @ 70Hz (VESA) hsync: 87.5kHz ModeLine "1600x1200" 189.0 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync # 1600x1200 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 93.8kHz ModeLine "1600x1200" 202.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync # 1600x1200 @ 85Hz (VESA) hsync: 106.3kHz ModeLine "1600x1200" 229.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync # 1792x1344 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 83.6kHz ModeLine "1792x1344" 204.8 1792 1920 2120 2448 1344 1345 1348 1394 -hsync +vsync # 1792x1344 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 106.3kHz ModeLine "1792x1344" 261.0 1792 1888 2104 2456 1344 1345 1348 1417 -hsync +vsync # 1856x1392 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 86.3kHz ModeLine "1856x1392" 218.3 1856 1952 2176 2528 1392 1393 1396 1439 -hsync +vsync # 1856x1392 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 112.5kHz ModeLine "1856x1392" 288.0 1856 1984 2208 2560 1392 1393 1396 1500 -hsync +vsync # 1920x1440 @ 60Hz (VESA) hsync: 90.0kHz ModeLine "1920x1440" 234.0 1920 2048 2256 2600 1440 1441 1444 1500 -hsync +vsync # 1920x1440 @ 75Hz (VESA) hsync: 112.5kHz ModeLine "1920x1440" 297.0 1920 2064 2288 2640 1440 1441 1444 1500 -hsync +vsync # Additional modelines ModeLine "1800x1440" 230 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync ModeLine "1800x1440" 250 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync # Extended modelines with GTF timings # 640x480 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 50.90 kHz; pclk: 43.16 MHz ModeLine "640x480" 43.16 640 680 744 848 480 481 484 509 -HSync +Vsync # 768x576 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 35.82 kHz; pclk: 34.96 MHz ModeLine "768x576" 34.96 768 792 872 976 576 577 580 597 -HSync +Vsync # 768x576 @ 72.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 43.27 kHz; pclk: 42.93 MHz ModeLine "768x576" 42.93 768 800 880 992 576 577 580 601 -HSync +Vsync # 768x576 @ 75.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 45.15 kHz; pclk: 45.51 MHz ModeLine "768x576" 45.51 768 808 888 1008 576 577 580 602 -HSync +Vsync # 768x576 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 51.42 kHz; pclk: 51.84 MHz ModeLine "768x576" 51.84 768 808 888 1008 576 577 580 605 -HSync +Vsync # 768x576 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 61.10 kHz; pclk: 62.57 MHz ModeLine "768x576" 62.57 768 816 896 1024 576 577 580 611 -HSync +Vsync # 800x600 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 63.60 kHz; pclk: 68.18 MHz ModeLine "800x600" 68.18 800 848 936 1072 600 601 604 636 -HSync +Vsync # 1024x768 @ 100.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 81.40 kHz; pclk: 113.31 MHz ModeLine "1024x768" 113.31 1024 1096 1208 1392 768 769 772 814 -HSync +Vsync # 1152x864 @ 60.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 53.70 kHz; 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