This is pretty alpha for a beta.

apt-get upgrade pulls debian unstable? Knoppmyth doesn't even bother filtering their own commits?

I'd love to see this distro succeed. I'd LOVE it. But what gives? This is basic functionality.

The dvd player isn't even setup right.

Nice first post. It is Alpha not Beta (Hence the A in R5A16). I presume that this means you will be contributing with the details of how to fix the problems that prickle you.

Why "upgrade" something that isn't broke?

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Girkers

Ya, don't apt-get upgrade unless you like reinstalling. That seems to be the concensus of a recent forum poll.

As far as the DVD setup goes, ya, the distro includes no controversial software such as DeCSS and such, so you have to do one extra step each install in order to get DVD reading working.

You may run into the same issue with mplayer as it is a bit neutered because of the same reasons.

It sucks, but it isn't SO hard to fix the items. The author lives in the US and is worried about irking the powers that be.

Work arounds to such issues are well documented in these forums or on the knoppmythwiki site.

-Aubrey

come on every one you know better than to feed the trolls.

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Have a question search the forum and have a look at the KnoppMythWiki.

Xsecrets

Trolls, that always a funny way to dimiss opinions you don't like.

My comments are valid, obviously these are well known cavaets within the Knoppmyth user group. I found the locales particularly irritating because when I did apt-get the neccessary software to read DVD's I ended up compliling locales for corners of the world I could only dream of affording to visit.

It just seems like it would have be a trivial thing to have *some* of this working or at least mentioned somewhere, even if it has to be pointed to in some off-site documentation (I"m assuming there are some Knoppmyth users in more enlightened countries?

As far as my solution, its the same every one of you has no doubt done: apt-get install that software we cannot mention here (libdvdcss) and friends.

It seems kind of strange that while there seems to be a Knoppmyth repository listed in the apt-sources its blocked out by default and as mentioned apt-get upgrade will likely bork the whole system. Knoppmyth has enough buzz to get a few repositories of its own.

Anyhow, sure I got it working but I suddently felt like I was back in 99 with it. I'll keep using it for a week or so and I'll add more onto my "troll".

And why isn't there a stickied how-to on the forums at least? I had figured the whole point of the Knoppmyth distro was to make the media center style distro "human" compatible. Ouch.

If you quack like a duck, and have feathers like a duck, and a bill like a duck, people can't be blamed for calling you a duck.

Likewise, if your first post to a forum is critical of the program at hand, laced with things like "c'mon" and "this is pretty alpha for a beta," then people can't be blamed for calling you a troll with no other information to go on.

Also likewise, cesman can't be blamed for not "setting up" the DVD player "right" as including the appropriate libraries is not legal in the US of A.

And, criticizing what happens when you "apt-get upgrade" and calling it "basic functionality" misses the whole point of the project, which is to get a DVR up and running without HAVING to apt-get ANYTHING.

Get over it. One thing that pisses me off is the premadonnaism in the OSS community. I work with these systems for a living, if you don't want honest opinions I suggest you crawl back into whatever nature reserve you came from.

I appreciated that some posters took the time to respond to what seem to me to be real issues. I've been involved in the OSS community for a long time now, I'm honest, its not the end of the world.

That said I think these first impressions of mine are worth looking at. Solutions? Better documentation. Hell, I'd volunteer.

And you don't have to risk an all-out DMCA assault to say things like "in order to comply with US and international laws the Knoppmyth project has opted to leave out the DVDCSS librarys required for the playback of most commercial DVD's".

There is such a think as careful and too careful.

The locales issue, well I'm sure thats already turned up in the bug reports and I'd guess it'll be fixed in the next release. But turning out a Media PC distro with things like the DVD playback completely left out is a pretty serious omission. By any standards.

Feel free to flame on boys, what I've said is true and the solutions reasonable. I never believed in the whole free-lunch thing associated with OSS projects and I'm always willing to get my hands dirty. I'm just not so good at kissing ass.

And not to mince words (well, maybe a little) by your own defination the project has already failed. Without using apt-get there is not DVD.

And one thing that p*ss*s me off is the lack of any kind of social skills, such as politeness and lack of arrogance, by people such as yourself in the OSS community.



It's a DVR first and foremost. DVD playback is icing on the cake. I do not see it as a serious omission. And that's my "honest opinion," so get over it.



Funny, wonder how I got my DVD working without using apt-get? Hmm.

Your right, its perfect. I guess you speak for everyone.

Anyway, I'd assumed the word Myth in reference to the wonderful Mythtv project was intended to suggest this was a Mythtv based project. Silly me.

As a PVR its fantastic, but all those extra menu items sure are confusing.

If anyone on the dev team could use some help please feel free to contact me. I think this is a great project and I don't see any reason aside from lack of time and help (blustering doesn't *technically* count) this couldn't be a top-notch project.

Thanks for the back and forth ceenvee, I guess I can skip Fark today.

zgoss,

I have copied your first post so we can analyse it a bit. Let's start with the topic now admittedly this is just the topic so people can be mistaken for not being able to help just on this information.

When you look at the rest of the post you have at no stage said exactly what your problem is. When I install KnoppMyth my DVD player works straight out of the box, my home movies look great.

If as you state have been in the OSS community for some time you would have realised that to get the answer to your question you must outline what your problem is, otherwise who in hell will have any idea what in the world you are talking about.

There are a lot of people trying to help this project, myself included, but I don't think the project needs arogance such as yours as you will be no help to anyone, just an annoyance like you are now.

If you also took the time to search the forum you would have found an answer in regards to part of your problem in less than two minutes.

So to sum it up, I would like to take this opportunity on my own behalf to say thanks for stopping by, but your services are no longer required.

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Not only did I state my problem, but I stated my solution (as best I could with the word filter).

As for you DVD player working out of the box I find that curious, considering lib^dvd-css (aka pineapple) libraries are, as mentioned previously, excluded.

I wasn't trying to ask a question, but make an observation. Thats why I'm posting in general.

A few thin skins around here.

Arrogance? Meh.

Interesting... It seems that someone that wanted to help would contact the developers and not state "if the devs want help they can contact me". That smacks of "premadonnaism".

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cesman

When the source is open, the possibilities are endless!

Right.

Anyhow, in my experience developments teams tend to work pretty differently (I am ..in fact.. on one myself). So instead of trying to pretend I am the light of christ I simply throw it out there.

It works for me.