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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:22 pm 
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I have been thinking about it and would love if the installer could ask you all the questions up front and then run off and do its thing. Currently KM installer asks a question then processes that, then asks the next one. I feel that asking everything at the beginning it would allow you to set it and forget and when you return your installation will be finished.

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A few questions will be asked up front. If all goes well when you install R6, you'll not need to worry about downloading another ISO or answer the same questions again on an upgrade. We hope it is as simple as backup and upgrade (over the network).


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vabiro wrote:
Yes it is Gloss that I was thinking about.
Perhaps I missed it but no where on that site does it seem to indicate that is an alternate mythfrontend.


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cecil wrote:
vabiro wrote:
Yes it is Gloss that I was thinking about.
Perhaps I missed it but no where on that site does it seem to indicate that is an alternate mythfrontend.


Cecil,

I suppose your right: that page is not very clear on the objective of the project, but the Google Code page (http://code.google.com/p/gloss-mc/)is more direct:
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Gloss is intended to be a drop-in replacement for the existing MythTV frontend. It is written in Python however uses the Clutter OpenGL framework with the intent of producing a visually richer interface than the existing MythTV frontend.


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vabiro wrote:
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Gloss is intended to be a drop-in replacement for the existing MythTV frontend. It is written in Python however uses the Clutter OpenGL framework with the intent of producing a visually richer interface than the existing MythTV frontend.

Normally I would refrain from commenting, but this is a serious pet peeve. I've seen too many eye candy rich amateur UI "designs" in OSS that would give a competent professional UI designer with even a hint of human factors training screaming nightmares. This certainly sounds like one of them. Only the menu item you're on shows? You've got to be kidding me. That is the absolute _last_ choice you make when you've got an extremely limited (say one line) display and no other options.

It's time people woke up to the fact that too much eye candy causes UI decay, juvenile application obesity, runtime onset diabetes, and cancer of the semicolon. Not to mention that amateur UI design is a perfect example of Sturgeon's law in action... :roll:


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tjc wrote:
It's time people woke up to the fact that too much eye candy causes UI decay, juvenile application obesity, runtime onset diabetes, and cancer of the semicolon. Not to mention that amateur UI design is a perfect example of Sturgeon's law in action... :roll:


:D I agree completely, but like most immature diets, a dietitian is required, and some moderation on the candy intake.

Sometimes some good, even great, ideas come from people that aren't that experienced in UI development. Maybe some wider exposure would generate some dialogue that could trim the candy and focus on something more nutritious.

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tjc wrote:
vabiro wrote:
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Gloss is intended to be a drop-in replacement for the existing MythTV frontend. It is written in Python however uses the Clutter OpenGL framework with the intent of producing a visually richer interface than the existing MythTV frontend.

Normally I would refrain from commenting, but this is a serious pet peeve. I've seen too many eye candy rich amateur UI "designs" in OSS that would give a competent professional UI designer with even a hint of human factors training screaming nightmares. This certainly sounds like one of them. Only the menu item you're on shows? You've got to be kidding me. That is the absolute _last_ choice you make when you've got an extremely limited (say one line) display and no other options.

It's time people woke up to the fact that too much eye candy causes UI decay, juvenile application obesity, runtime onset diabetes, and cancer of the semicolon. Not to mention that amateur UI design is a perfect example of Sturgeon's law in action... :roll:


Hey all, I'm the author of Gloss so I thought I'd at least throw my opinion in the ring. Firstly, its potentially not clear in the video, but the other menu items are still visible, just at a reduced opacity. They're very visible still on both my laptop and LCD TV.

I'm the first person to admit that I'm a crap artist and have only limited experience with UI's. For this reason, Gloss is VERY flexible as far as giving themers the ability to change things, including the menu opacitys. I acknowledge that my talents (such as they are) lie in programming, so I've made something that allows people who do know about UI stuff to easily implement it, including all the eye candy, without having to worry about the code.
I'm not sure which video you watched, but the 2nd half of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obnmWZ-dW6w shows that you don't even have to use a traditional menu system and that interfaces such as this 'courasel' aren't that difficult to implement.

I fully recognise the AWESOME work of the official Myth project (Hey I use it every day on my own system), but I did Gloss to just show what's possible and generate some discussion. Its really only intended as 40% showcase, 40% hobby, 20% 'real' frontend and until such time as other people step up to help, that's how it'll stay and I'll just keep working on it when I've got the time.


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Once (if) completed, I'd consider it for inclusion as an option. Looks like Elisa!


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cecil wrote:
Once (if) completed, I'd consider it for inclusion as an option. Looks like Elisa!


Yeah, similar to Elisa, but obviously with TV and using the mythconverg db instead of a custom one.

Definitely wouldn't expect it to be included in anything yet, that stage is a little way away at the moment.


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Please set "CONFIG_MD_RAID5_RESHAPE=y" in the kernel.

I'd like to add another disk to my raid.

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ErikU wrote:
I would like to see a script with r6 that "kicks" my motorola cable box before each recording to ensure that the firewire is working.
Sounds like something that could be put in your
channel_change.sh script?

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Is there a way to use the math horsepower of today's video
cards for transcoding (/ encoding)? This could certainly help
reduce encode / transcode time.

An earlier post was unclear as to whether it this was being
implied or not.

I recall hearing that this had been done for a very limited set
of video cards in the Windows world. Discussion appears in
the context of "Render Farms".

Perhaps this is more of an R7ish issue, or maybe it should be
suggested upstream of KM.

Sorry for lack of url to homepage. I looked but did not find
anything outside the realm of Render Farms.

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I'd like to see the following feature/program added to R6:

- Automatically updating the tv_grab_* files from repository.

- This could be done by adding the fetch script to crontab, or (more elegant and bandwidth-friendly solution) every time mythfilldatabase fails to get the xml from the grabber.

I think the addition of feature/program would be beneficial because:

- Every now and then the epg providers change their site layout, and program data fails to download. This has happend to me a couple of times. It's not a big deal to do it manually, but it would really be a nice addition to KnoppMyth.

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auttila wrote:
- Automatically updating the tv_grab_* files from repository.
This is easier said than done. One things we won't readily do with KnoppMyth is automatically update packages (programs) on user's system. When R6 is said and done however a user will be able to make their own package and do something like this themselves if they wanted.


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kebe wrote:
Please set "CONFIG_MD_RAID5_RESHAPE=y" in the kernel.
Done, this will be in R 5.5. You're welcome. :)


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