No for me - KIS(S) method.

Some interesting responses... Thanks. Please keep it coming. BTW: Who stated R6 would still be using debs?!

No. I have a "desktop" machine to do my desktop tasks. If anything, I'd like to see a way to remove items/features that I don't use to keep my install as minimal as possible. (i.e. MythPhone) "Everything I need, Nothing I don't."

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Some _very_ good responses here, users. Please keep it coming. As cesman/Cecil stated, Knoppmyth is dedicated to being a PVR and R6, in particular, to being a full home entertainment system. So, anything the user needs in this area is a welcome statement.

Thanks, folks.

Hi,

No desktop for me either, fluxbox does what is needed, it just works. thornsoft did a pretty good overall summary and as long as I can add the things I use / need / want (without breaking anything) I'm happy.

Frozen-bubbles should be included since it is in the menus.

The PVR focus is a good path and unique which is what KnoppMyth has been all along. Special!

Mike

Ok, I will speak up with a viewpoint that slightly differs from most, so far-

I DO often install KDE when I redo a backend machine, and I ran for a while with one of my clients using Knoppmyth and kde. (My clients are usually desktop machines as well, and use other distros.
I have found that very often a dual use desktop/frontend works BEST when both use KnoppMyth- no version difficulties with MythTV (happens often).

I will completely and 100% stick with the hurd as far as not wanting to lose dev time to kde stuff though.

KnoppMyth is wonderful and just gets better as a multimedia powerhouse system.
That is why I use it for my backend(s).

KDE does make it easier for me to do some of my custom stuff, and it makes a frontend/desktop system more easily usable, for me.

But KDE is not that tough to install NOW.
I would not like seeing time that could be used for multimedia improvements going towards making it easier to play KMines.

On one other note-
Personally, I am a distro whore and mess with many- in the course of getting right into them and seeing what is needed to make a given distro work the way I like, I have seen many people talk about this or that facet or functionality of a given distribution...
I would not be happy if this place ended up dealing with as many questions about getting OpenOffice to work (or any other secondary app.) as it does tv issues.
The devs might be able to stay focused on PVR issues, but if it gets any easier to use KnoppMyth as a desktop, forum focus is likely to weaken, to its detriment.

I seem to be agreeing with the majority of the KM users out there.

No. Focus on the 'appliance.' If I wanted MythTV on my desktop, I'd just install it there.

I have other systems that I use as a 'desktops,' and I don't want any KM box to be burdened with additional process running and taking valuable memory. Any other Linux 'desktop' can connect, and you can config and tweak from there.

I also have NO DESIRE to have a keyboard/mouse connected to a FE KM system, even wireless. A keyboard/mouse on the BE isn't essential, but I'd rather hack from the BE.

In terms of 'development,' I would make the compilers, etc, an optional download. I figure that the ISO image is getting pretty full, so I can understand their eventual departure from the base image. As long as the base install covers a majority of hardware from the get-go, the casual user wouldn't need to recompile anything. That's why there's the KRP, right?

See, in my eyes, for it to be a complete home entertainment system, you want internet and gaming...which require a keyboard and mouse.

Just my point of view.

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Just delete the files from the plugin directory.

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Grant

Same here. If I want to browse the web or do e-mail or write
code, I've got a laptop. Besides, I often do those things on
my laptop _while_ I'm "watching" a program on my Myth box.

I just wish there was a better way to configure a Myth box from
another machine (e.g. from my laptop). Trying to navigate and
change settings with a remote control is painful.

Running the setup programs on a remote X server isn't much
better.

I find I usually just edit the settings table using mythweb or
I ssh into the box and type SQL commands.

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Gibble,

The only 'TV games' that I've played with were PONG, and the Atari 2600. That probably shows my age.

Entertainment to me is: ME in the couch potato position, with a remote in my hand. Not 'engaged' in shoot em' ups!

I also wish there was some sort of CLI way to do all of my configuration of Myth.
I've found reference in the MythSVN to a clearcache patch that semi allows this to happen. I really believe that some sort of CLI dialog system could be developed to do this as well. Something like mythfrontdialog. Could be another programming project on the side for this if there is enough help and interest.

I have found that vnc works best. I was a bit mad I didn't start using it sooner.. I had been just using the setup progs as X clients to the remote linux desktop.

I totally agree with thornsoft. Knoppmyth should stay as a set top box. That is what makes it solid, fast and light. I couldn't imaging our forums getting full of questions about how to do this and that on the desktop. Being a Settop box should keep knoppmyth separate (and ahead) from the every other myth distro out there.
If some reviewer doesn't like it because it isn't a "true desktop system", then they can keep complaining on the mythtv forums about how hard mythtv is to setup and why things go to hell after a distro update or when they install something.
My knoppmyth box sits in my living room, next to my tv. I can't imagine why anyone would want to use that as a desktop pc. If I want to run mythtv on my desktop it's as easy as apt-get, or run off the live cd.

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That is actually a great idea. I know I can manually edit the menus to remove options (and even delete stuff from the plugins directory, if I really cared) but then you end up missing new features from the next release. I used to have a custom menu but when I upgraded KM I didn't have entries to MythArchive so I just went back to the standard menu.

So it would be handy to have a "standard" way of removing features.

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