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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 11:28 am 
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I just installed KnoppMyth R5A12 on an AMD Athlon 64 with Abit AV8 motherboard and a pcHDTV HD3000 card. I followed the EFF Cookbook website and everything seemed to work pretty well (there were a couple hiccups).

What I want to know is what packages KnoppMyth uses, and if it's possible to install Debian or Ubuntu and then use aptitude to simply install the same packages and get the same result. I've been trying to compile the pcHDTV drivers without success, and I'd also like to get it working on an AMD64 base, but I'm starting to think that the only way I'll be able to is if Debian or Ubuntu already have packages set up to do it. Not only that, but I've got an nvidia graphics card and I'd like to be able to install the Ubuntu nvidia-glx package to drive it. (Again, I can't seem to get the nvidia driver installer to work so I'm looking for a pre-packaged option.)

Some specific questions I have are: are the KnoppMyth cx88... modules available in packages from a Linux distribution? are there other tweaks that KnoppMyth uses to get my computer/tuner card to work 'out of the box'? how can I implement them easily in Debian or Ubuntu?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:07 pm 
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no the hdtv3000 drivers are not packaged for any distrobution or kernel that I know of.

I've always found the nvidia install scripts to be MUCH easier than the debian nvidia-glx packages (if you don't know it's not just apt-get install for the nvidia stuff even with debian as it requires kernel modules)

Knoppmyth is basically debian Sid, with a HIGHLY patched kernel. and custom compiled mythtv .debs and some really slick scripts for setting all this stuff up on install.

In R5A12 you should not have to compile the hdtv drivers it should work "out of the box" note that the EFF paper was written on an earlier alpa version, and much has been improved since then.

So the long and short of it is that yes you can use ubuntu or debian sid and install the matt's debs, and make everything work, but you're going to have to compile some kernel modues and do alot of configuration that knoppmyth takes care of you, it won't be as simple as using aptitude to install everything.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:07 pm 
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I though about doing the same thing with my Ubuntu system. I think you should be able to find a source for the Myth frontend debs and install them.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:49 pm 
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Xsecrets wrote:
I've always found the nvidia install scripts to be MUCH easier than the debian nvidia-glx packages (if you don't know it's not just apt-get install for the nvidia stuff even with debian as it requires kernel modules)

What script are you talking about? Does it come with KnoppMyth, and is it available in Ubuntu. I really like Ubuntu for other-than-PVR functions, so that's why I'd like to figure out how to do everything with Ubuntu.

Xsecrets wrote:
In R5A12 you should not have to compile the hdtv drivers it should work "out of the box" note that the EFF paper was written on an earlier alpa version, and much has been improved since then.

So is there any way of getting the pcHDTV HD3000 drivers out of KnoppMyth and throwing them into Ubuntu?

Xsecrets wrote:
So the long and short of it is that yes you can use ubuntu or debian sid and install the matt's debs, and make everything work, but you're going to have to compile some kernel modues and do alot of configuration that knoppmyth takes care of you, it won't be as simple as using aptitude to install everything.

That sucks... I guess, if it's in one distribution it should eventually make its way into others (if I'm patient enough to wait), but it's starting to look like "HDTV PC-Card for Linux" isn't as well supported as you might think! I'm not much of a programmer, so maybe this is kind of naive, but for a company that claims to be commited to open source and the Linux community, is it really all that hard to come up with an installable package for each of the major distributions?


And jesse, if you get it to work well in Ubuntu, please post something on a forum somewhere so the rest of us can copy you. I don't suppose your trying it with a 64-bit system?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:59 pm 
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Joshua wrote:
Xsecrets wrote:
I've always found the nvidia install scripts to be MUCH easier than the debian nvidia-glx packages (if you don't know it's not just apt-get install for the nvidia stuff even with debian as it requires kernel modules)

What script are you talking about? Does it come with KnoppMyth, and is it available in Ubuntu. I really like Ubuntu for other-than-PVR functions, so that's why I'd like to figure out how to do everything with Ubuntu.

the script is install-nvidiasomething or other, and you should be able to use it with any linux distrobution, and yes it there by default in knoppmyth. you have to unpack the kernel sources before using it though.
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Xsecrets wrote:
In R5A12 you should not have to compile the hdtv drivers it should work "out of the box" note that the EFF paper was written on an earlier alpa version, and much has been improved since then.

So is there any way of getting the pcHDTV HD3000 drivers out of KnoppMyth and throwing them into Ubuntu?

you can download the pchtdv drivers from the site. see next response for more details.
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Xsecrets wrote:
So the long and short of it is that yes you can use ubuntu or debian sid and install the matt's debs, and make everything work, but you're going to have to compile some kernel modues and do alot of configuration that knoppmyth takes care of you, it won't be as simple as using aptitude to install everything.

That sucks... I guess, if it's in one distribution it should eventually make its way into others (if I'm patient enough to wait), but it's starting to look like "HDTV PC-Card for Linux" isn't as well supported as you might think! I'm not much of a programmer, so maybe this is kind of naive, but for a company that claims to be commited to open source and the Linux community, is it really all that hard to come up with an installable package for each of the major distributions?

they can't they can because it requires kernel level drivers, they can and I'm sure they are lobbying to get it in the stock kernel, but they can't force Linus to accept it. They could build kernel modules for the stock kernels in each and every distribution, but they change constantly, and there are hundreds of distributions. In this regard the air2pc will most likely be fully supported the way you are talking about long before the pchdtv3000 as the air2pc drivers are already in the 2.6.11 kernel and more functionality will be included in future kernels.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:05 pm 
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Joshua wrote:
What I want to know is what packages KnoppMyth uses,

Why not ask the package system itself?
Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install apt-show-versions
apt-show-versions

Only about 800 packages listed... ;-)
Joshua wrote:
and if it's possible to install Debian or Ubuntu and then use aptitude to simply install the same packages and get the same result.

This is where you run into the big "but..."
Code:
root@black:/myth/mythburn# apt-show-versions | grep 'No available version in archive' | wc -l
91

Dang, no wonder Cecil and Dale have been really busy! ;-)


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