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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:53 am 
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This is the second time in a month this has happened to me. Last night House was recording from 9:00 to 10:00. My wife also had something recording at the same time. All my tuners are PVR250 or 500's. House only recorded for 25 min, though it showed it was recording for the full hour. I noticed there was something wrong when 45 min into the show, I went to start watching it from the beginning. I paused for a moment and it showed 25 min, when it should have been more like 47 at that point. I got nervous because this happened a few weeks back to my wife. Sure enough, when it stopped recording at 10:00 there was only 25 min of show, and a 622 mb file. I was able to watch to the end of the 25 min, then that was it. When this happens like before, the front end becomes very unstable. You can not delete any other recorded shows, let alone the faulty one, it just hangs up. In order to fix this problem, I have to remove the entry from the database, and manually remove the .nuv file. Then all is fine again. The backend log showed the recording starting and stopping at the correct times, and nothing abnormal. HD space is fine with over 60% free on a 300 GB drive. Swap space is also fine, but I believe that does not matter for shows being recorded. Any ideas what may be causing this?

With three tuners and people with very different tastes in TV, it is not uncommon for all three to be recording at once. This has only just begun to happen. I would really like to prevent this.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:23 pm 
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I have had a similar problem, I only have the one tuner and I have attempted to watch a show that I was recording. My system did the same as yours.

I also get a lot of bum recording due to signal strength and when I go in to the recordings on the frontend, it locks up as does yours. Instead of deleting them like yourself I simply use mythweb and do it through there, I find it much simpler and easier.

Just a tip.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:07 pm 
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yea both times for me, the first thing I did was go into mythweb. No dice. You hit delete, the page refreshes, and it is all still there. The first time this happened, we were not home, so we were not attempting to watch the show. When loading up the recording only about 35 min of the 1 hr show was there. Even though the logs showed that it recorded for the full hour. This latest time I did start to watch it, but I started 45 min into the show at about 9:45. But only 25 min of the show was there, even though it was still showing it as recording at 9:58. Myth web would not delete the file. Once it was cleared from the database, everything else was fine. I wonder if there is a way to narrow down the cause of this. Has this only happened to you once, and only when watching a program currently being recorded?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:10 pm 
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It has happened a couple times, but more recently my programs haven't been recording at all. These ones seem to delete fine though.

I do recall that I did have to go through Webmin to delete the partially recorded show from the DB.

From memory I did have this happen with a show I tried to watch after it had completed recording and it did not have the full showing. I didn't check the logs at the time, because I really didn't know what I was doing at that time.

What I have found recently though is my HDD turns off Caching etc, after a reboot, so I have to check it in webmin after a reboot to ensure that the drive is running it's best. Could be a place to check, your HDD parameters?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:23 pm 
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Hey gang,

After my Myth machine was down for a couple months (moving house and such), I booted up and over the past couple of weeks have experienced this exact same phenomenon.

When watching 'Desperate Housewives' on Tuesday night, the OSD displayed the expected show length but when I got about five or ten minutes from the expected end of show, Myth popped up the "You are done watching" menu and froze.

The same thing happened last week with "Surface", I tried to delete the movie via Mythweb and it remained listed after a refresh, so I went in via SSH and ran the MySQL repair and MyISAM repair programs (forgive me, I am typing from work - can repost from home where i can look up the full command and forum link). That seemed to work, up until Tuesday's freeze.

df-h shows plenty of room on my drives (none more than 60% full, and that's a 200GB drive). Am running one PVR-250 and one PVR-350, with TV-Out through the 350.

It looks like there are a few of us sharing this issue, I bet we can figure it out - please let me know if there is more info I can share, I'm still a wee bit n00b when it comes to navigating Linux.

All that to say "You're not alone, man, we'll sort this!"

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:30 pm 
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stevepugh, yea the repair for the database tables is located here:
http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1043
For me, this too was the first thing I tried once the regular methods of removing the faulty recording failed. But this did not repair it the problem enough to allow any other removal method other than the directly from the DB. What happened to you with Desperate Housewives is what happened to my wife a couple of weeks back. It just ended considerable short of the shows ending. The backend continues to think it is recording, and everything is fine. I am beginning to think this may be an IVTV problem.

My Current setup.
One PVR-250
One PVR-500
R5A16 with updated IVTV (I will update this with the version when I get home, I had to update to get the 500 to work)

Have either of you updated yours?


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:31 pm 
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I'm using a pcHTDV recording card, but I also get the occasional recording that doesn't play correctly. In my case, I can see pretty clearly that there's a signal quality issue when this happens. I notice it more on one channel (channel 11) than the others. It usually has the lowest signal level, which I think is the culprit. On your PVR cards, the cause may be entirely different.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:35 pm 
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I would not be surprised in the *least* if it was IVTV.

Right now I am running 0.2.0-rc3j. With my PVR-250 and -350, I was running into too many stability problems with the 0.3## drivers. I wish I knew more of a step-by-step process for *uninstalling* the ivtv drivers, because I am not entirely sure that I completely removed the 0.3 before reinstalling 0.2.0.

I also need to put 0.2.0-rc3k on, as it is truly the latest of the 0.2.0 drivers.

FWIW, I am also running R5A16.

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After some more searching, I noticed two old programs in Mythweb that did not have thumbnails - couldn't delete them because Mythweb said they could not be found. Found this post:

http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1043&sid=c0c6e9c6cbae20850d6a5d1c08d7731c

and followed the instructions at the bottom to delete them from the database, so if SQL corruption was a factor, this should help me. It might help the others experiencing the same freeze that I had. Fingers crossed, will post an update when I have more info!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:11 pm 
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Gah, even after deleting the suspicious "missing" .nuv files, we are still experiencing evil things - my lovely and INCREDIBLY patient bride is starting to fray at the edges and question my sanity.

I still have some shows which claim to record in their entirety, but actually record short - this week's "Desperate Housewives" let us watch two five-minute chunks even though the backend log in Mythweb shows thus:
2213 scheduler 2005-10-02 22:01:00 mythtv Finished recording Finished recording Desperate Housewives on channel: 1007
2212 mythbackend 2005-10-02 21:26:58 mythtv Running housekeeping thread
2211 scheduler 2005-10-02 21:26:50 mythtv Schedule Change Started recording "Desperate Housewives" on channel: 1007 on cardid: 1, sourceid 1
2210 scheduler 2005-10-02 21:26:50 mythtv Scheduled items Scheduled 102 items in 0.5 = 0.15 match + 0.31 place
2209 mythbackend 2005-10-02 21:26:46 mythtv MythBackend started as master server
2208 scheduler 2005-10-02 21:00:02 mythtv Schedule Change Started recording "Desperate Housewives" on channel: 1007 on cardid: 1, sourceid 1

Granted, I had to restart the Myth machine midway through because my PVR-350 video output froze whilst we were watching another show. That's my second bit of evil oddness, and it appears not to be related to database or .nuv issues. Sometimes, while watching a recorded show, the program's video will freeze - if I push the rewind button, the OSD pops up and tells me that it's moving back, but the show's video is toast and stuck on the freeze frame. ESC doesn't help, FF doesn't help. I am flummoxed.

This never happened before we moved, and the machine was off for a couple of months. Before then, my wife was telling her friends how much cooler my new machine was than the old ReplayTV. Now, she just worries that I'm going to hurt myself or the PC whenever we watch a show and the video freezes up. Please, someone, anyone, help me?

I've forum-searched, but perhaps I'm not entering the right keywords...waaaaaaaah....

Signed,
At wit's end in Torrance
Single 2.4GHz Intel
512 MB RAM
PVR-350
PVR-250
ivtv-0.2.0-rc3j
Knoppmyth R5A16


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