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Are you happy with the quality of your TV out?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 2:11 pm 
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ModeLine "720x576PALi" 13.75 720 744 800 880 576 581 583
625 interlace -hsync -vsync
Works for me.

I have succesfully done this under windows with powerstrip and it gave me the best piture quality ever seen with a Pal TV connected to a PC (Second to Xcard).
Can you explain where to put this modeline. And how to do this. I'm a absolute Linux newbie so please be nice.

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Have the developers of MythTV ever considered using this card?
http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/D ... 60dca4adda

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well you would probably need to go ask the mythtv developers that. this is the knoppmyth forum and not many (if any) of the developers for the actual mythtv program hang out here. They don't have forums they will only answer on the mailing list.

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well you would probably need to go ask the mythtv developers that. this is the knoppmyth forum and not many (if any) of the developers for the actual mythtv program hang out here. They don't have forums they will only answer on the mailing list.

Thanks

I already Join the Developer mailing list, posted a mail and got respons to it.

Do you happen to know the answer of the other question I asked above?

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ModeLine "720x576PALi" 13.75 720 744 800 880 576 581 583
625 interlace -hsync -vsync
Works for me.

I have succesfully done this under windows with powerstrip and it gave me the best piture quality ever seen with a Pal TV connected to a PC (Second to Xcard).
Can you explain where to put this modeline. And how to do this. I'm a absolute Linux newbie so please be nice.

Wim

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You will need to edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. you can use vi or nano to do this. You will see a section with other modelines just put it in with them. Then you will need to edit the screens section I think it is and add the name of your modeline under whatever color depth you are using. Once in the file you should see what I'm talking about.

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Xsecrets wrote:
You will need to edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. you can use vi or nano to do this. You will see a section with other modelines just put it in with them. Then you will need to edit the screens section I think it is and add the name of your modeline under whatever color depth you are using. Once in the file you should see what I'm talking about.


I'm also trying to do this - and I have done exactly like you suggested Xsecrets, but it's still not working.

(I am assuming that wim "gave up" ? - you do need to have som basic knowledge of Unix/Linux to do this)

I have sucessfully created the Vga>Scart cable described here - which gives a fantastic picture on your TV - using Windows and Powerstrip.

The Powerstrip timings I'm using for my TV is:

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PowerStrip timing parameters:
1024x576=1024,68,48,132,576,6,6,37,19875,312

Generic timing details for 1024x576:
HFP=68 HSW=48 HBP=132 kHz=16 VFP=6 VSW=6 VBP=37 Hz=25

Linux modeline parameters:
"1024x576" 19.875 1024 1092 1140 1272 576 582 588 625 interlace +hsync +vsync


I have taken the Linux modeline parameters and pasted them in the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file under the other modelines, and added the "1024x576" in the screens section (all color depths)

I have then rebooted - but it is still not working, the picture is "out of sync"

Since I think it has something to do with 'Horisontal geomerty' and 'Vertical refreshrate' - I have taken the values I'm using Powerstrip and tried them i the XF86Config-4 file - like:

HorizSync 16
VertRefresh 25

But I still get the same 'out of sync' picture.

It feels like there is some "automatic settings" that overrides the XF86Config-4 ?

Or do you need some "special" ATI-Radeon drivers for this to work ?

Any help would be appreciated - otherwise its back to Meedio for me ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:28 am 
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(I am assuming that wim "gave up" ? - you do need to have som basic knowledge of Unix/Linux to do this)


Yes I gave up but not on this problem but this.
http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... 2418#32418

So MythTV is not working for me at all.

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Linux modeline parameters:
"1024x576" 19.875 1024 1092 1140 1272 576 582 588 625 interlace +hsync +vsync


First: What display are you driving with this resolution? I cannot imagine a PAL TV can handle such resolution.

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I have sucessfully created the Vga>Scart cable described here - which gives a fantastic picture on your TV - using Windows and Powerstrip.

If you are using this cable It aint gonna work because this cable does not combine the sync signals. You have to feed pin 20 of the scart connector with Composite Sync.

See this: http://www.qsl.net/dh1dm/tv_50hz_svga/

Under Windows you can select Composite sync in powerstrip and in the ati driver settings. I don't no how to generate composite sync under Linux.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:31 am 
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MythTV is not working for me at all.


Too bad :(

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First: What display are you driving with this resolution? I cannot imagine a PAL TV can handle such resolution.


Yepp - i'ts a Sharp 16:9 100Hz PAL TV.

What I get is the "widescreen version of 720x576" - but its not HDTV ;)

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If you are using this cable It aint gonna work because this cable does not combine the sync signals. You have to feed pin 20 of the scart connector with Composite Sync.


I'm was lying a little bit when I said that I used that guide :wink: - the cable I am using is from This Guide (in Swedish) - however the swedish guide is written with the guide I linked to above - as reference.

Since a friend helped me put together the cable - I not really sure about the technical stuff.

I do however know that it works perfectly with 1024x576 in Windows :)

But I havn't heard of anyone that have succesfully used the cable in Linux.

I thought that I would give it a try - but I guess it doesn't work (?) :(


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I do however know that it works perfectly with 1024x576 in Windows

But I havn't heard of anyone that have succesfully used the cable in Linux.

I thought that I would give it a try - but I guess it doesn't work (?)


It will work, but you must combine your sync signals. If this can not be done in software you must do it in hardware.

once again: http://www.qsl.net/dh1dm/tv_50hz_svga/

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I agree that the on-board svideo out pretty much sucks for quality. This is what I have seen.

Except for the hoops you need to jump through, the pvr-350 output quality is superior by far to what I have seen compared to s-video. Perfectly clear and no weird inetlacing issues.

Oh yeah, and the relatively high cost of the 350 may also keep others from going this route, and the fact that many new computers will not have pci slots on them any more...


I have the Audio Authority 9A60 (http://www.pacificcable.com/Picture_Pag ... aName=9A60) vga->HD converter which I tried once but have not gone back to. I would say this would be a good solution, but I have not tested and compared it fully, even to this day (I've had it for about 6 months or so). I only have 1 HD input on my TV and it's currently in use by the cable converter box, so it's a hassle to have this in use full time. Maybe I'll try this out again soon and report back. It's running at 112.00 at the moment. My post on how I got this to work is here: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3140

My personal recommendation (which probably does not apply to you) is the pvr-350, and the hope that the drivers can be solidified some more. I have not gotten pvr-350 tvout to work with r5a16 yet (although there are good instructions on what to do, I can't get by the black/white lines yet).

My goal is to update the pvr.pl script to work with the latest release, but I can't do that until I figure out what is needed :(

Yes, sometimes getting your Myth box to work as you want is a real chore, but there seems to be enough people willing to do this and report back their findings that most problems are either solved or there are acceptable workarounds.

I agree, though, the tv-out is the end product, and not having a perfect solution for great quality output is something that we (meaning all of us who contribute in any way) should continue to work on.


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wim wrote:
It will work, but you must combine your sync signals. If this can not be done in software you must do it in hardware.

once again: http://www.qsl.net/dh1dm/tv_50hz_svga/

Wim


OK, thanks.

I'll will have my friend take a look at the cable and see if we can get it to work.


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I know this is old, but I wanted to add a card with bad tv-out to the list. I initially was going to use an Old GF4 Ti4200 card that I had, but the tv-out on this card was terrible, it was all washed out, and didn't seem display properly. Anyway, one I got the tv-out working on my PVR-350, it has been a great picture :)


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