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 Post subject: Choppy video on pvr250
PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:29 pm 
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After getting my firmware to load correctly on my pvr250, I can select the "watch TV" option and change channels fine etc, but the performance is poor. It is dropping frames pretty badly, with choppy sound as well. Here is my setup:

amd 64 3200
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
1Gig DDR Ram
PVR250 Capture Card
Gigabyte Nforce2 chipset MB

I have gone into Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV settings->Playback and selected "Use the PVR-350's TV out / MPEG decoder" and it doesnt seem to help. I have also updated the ATI video drivers.

Some of my setup:

dmesg output:

Code:
ivtv: ==================== START INIT IVTV ====================
ivtv: version 0.3.7 (k) loading
ivtv: Linux version: 2.6.11.9-chw-2 SMP preempt 586 gcc-3.3
ivtv: In case of problems please include the debug info
ivtv: between the START INIT IVTV and END INIT IVTV lines when
ivtv: mailing the ivtv-devel mailinglist.
ivtv: Autodetected WinTV PVR 250 card (iTVC16 based)
ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:0a.0[A] -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 18
ivtv: Unreasonably low latency timer, setting to 64 (was 32)
tveeprom: Hauppauge: model = 32062, rev = C199, serial# = 8115463
tveeprom: tuner = TCL 2002N 5H (idx = 99, type = 50)
tveeprom: tuner fmt = NTSC(M) (eeprom = 0x08, v4l2 = 0x00001000)
tveeprom: audio processor = MSP3445 (type = c)
tveeprom: decoder processor = SAA7115 (type = 13)
ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=tveeprom[50], addr=50]
lirc_i2c: chip found @ 0x18 (Hauppauge IR)
ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=Hauppauge IR, addr=18]
lirc_dev: lirc_register_plugin:sample_rate: 10
tuner: chip found at addr 0xc2 i2c-bus ivtv i2c driver #0
ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=(tuner unset), addr=61]
msp34xx: ivtv version
msp34xx: init: chip=MSP3445G-B8, has NICAM support, simple (D) mode, simpler (G) no-thread mode
msp34xx: $Id$ compiled on: Sep  8 2005 17:56:00
ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=MSP3445G-B8, addr=40]
ivtv: i2c attach to card #0 ok [client=saa7115[50], addr=21]
ivtv: requesting ivtv-fw-enc.bin from hotplug
ivtv: firmware loaded
ivtv: Encoder revision: 0x02040011
ivtv: Create DMA encoder MPEG stream: 0 x 32768 buffers (0KB total)
ivtv: Create DMA encoder YUV stream: 0 x 10800 buffers (0KB total)
ivtv: Create DMA encoder VBI stream: 0 x 17472 buffers (0KB total)
ivtv: Create DMA encoder PCM audio stream: 0 x 4608 buffers (0KB total)
tuner: type set to 39 (LG NTSC (newer TAPC series)) by ivtv i2c driver #0
ivtv: Initialized WinTV PVR 250, card #0
ivtv: ====================  END INIT IVTV  ====================


lsmod output:
Code:
Module                  Size  Used by
snd_pcm_oss            48032  1
sg                     30880  0
shpchp                 91524  0
pci_hotplug            31048  1 shpchp
sata_nv                 8068  0
ehci_hcd               31112  0
analog                 11936  0
gameport                5632  1 analog
pcspkr                  5324  0
tsdev                   7744  0
evdev                   9088  0
ivtv                  198804  3
saa7115                14744  0
msp3400                27832  0
tuner                  25000  0
bttv                  144336  0
video_buf              18436  1 bttv
firmware_class          9728  2 ivtv,bttv
i2c_algo_bit           10504  2 ivtv,bttv
v4l2_common             6528  1 bttv
btcx_risc               5768  1 bttv
tveeprom               14900  1 bttv
videodev                9600  4 ivtv,bttv
lirc_i2c                9092  0
lirc_dev               13452  1 lirc_i2c
md5                     5760  1
ipv6                  235808  12
autofs4                17284  0
af_packet              18696  2
snd_mixer_oss          18048  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_intel8x0           29248  2
snd_ac97_codec         68984  1 snd_intel8x0
snd_pcm                79364  3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec
snd_timer              22532  1 snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc          9348  2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
snd                    47460  6 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore               9312  3 snd
r8169                  22924  0
i2c_nforce2             7552  0
i2c_core               20224  8 saa7115,msp3400,tuner,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,lirc_i2c,i2c_nforce2
amd64_agp              11720  1
agpgart                29616  1 amd64_agp
parport_pc             37444  0
parport                32456  1 parport_pc
8250                   23108  0
serial_core            19840  1 8250
ohci1394               31748  0
pcmcia                 20624  0
yenta_socket           20616  0
rsrc_nonstatic         10496  1 yenta_socket
pcmcia_core            42656  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
video                  16260  0
thermal                12936  0
processor              22504  1 thermal
fan                     5252  0
container               5248  0
button                  7056  0
battery                10372  0
ac                      5508  0
rtc                    11980  0
ieee1394              301752  1 ohci1394
usb_storage            63552  0
ohci_hcd               20488  0
uhci_hcd               30224  0
usbcore               101368  5 ehci_hcd,usb_storage,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd
tmscsim                22976  0
BusLogic               77588  0


This is the error I am receiving when mythfrontend starts, probably the most significant:
Code:
2005-09-09 17:18:59.096 Opening OSS audio device '/dev/dsp0'.
X Error: XvBadPort 152
  Major opcode:  141
  Minor opcode:  15
  Resource id:  0xffffffff
X Error: XvBadPort 152
  Major opcode:  141
  Minor opcode:  14
  Resource id:  0xffffffff
***
* Couldn't find Xv support, falling back to non-Xv mode.
* MythTV performance will be much slower since color
* conversion and scaling will be done in software.
* Consider upgrading your video card or X server if
* you would like better performance.


Anyone have any suggestions? I have searched the forums, google, etc but havent come up with anything yet.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:06 pm 
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Mythuser wrote:
I have gone into Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV settings->Playback and selected "Use the PVR-350's TV out / MPEG decoder"
Is for the 350, you've stated you have a 250 so this won't work. As for the ATi drivers, sorry I couldn't tell ya. I don't have nor do I recommend ATi.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:37 pm 
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Yeah I have the 250, but I have seen several recommendations for checking this under settings for the 250 to clear this problem. Doesnt work for me.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:02 pm 
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Another useful piece of information. When I run xvinfo:

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X-Video Extension version 2.2
screen #0
 no adaptors present


Anyone know why it is showing no adapters present and what to do about it? Thanks for the help.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:13 pm 
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Using an ATI graphics card for TV out is currently unsupported and essentially a crap shoot. There is some more information here but it's substantially harder to get working than the supported options and many cards apparently won't work at all.. http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=VideoCards

If you do try to get it working please take good notes and create a detailed HowTo on the Wiki. Despite many requests nobody has done so yet.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 9:44 pm 
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Thanks for the info. I switched out the video card for a geforce 6800 GT. Im not getting any errors now from mythfrontend, and the video looks a little better (although not as good as just having the cable connected to the TV). The sound is skipping at times and acts like it is trying to keep up. I am running sound from the onboard sound on the motherboard. Should I run it from the pvr250?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 9:51 am 
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I was just looking at your hardware (BTW - you mean Nforce3 or more likely Nforce4 for you chipset - if it has PCIe definitely the later) and you really shouldn't be having any problems with it keeping up on SDTV since you've got enough horsepower there for HDTV. Go through the TV settings (general and playback) and play with your audio buffering, timebase, ... Definitely uncheck the PVR-350 option if you haven't already.

OBTW - For info on how to tune up your Nvidia TV-out and get it applied on each restart search for nvidia-settings here and on the wiki.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:03 am 
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Yeah sorry.. Its a Gigabyte GA K8N Pro, which uses the Nforce3 150 chipset. I unchecked the "use pvr350" otion in settings. It didnt seem to make a difference. Basically the video looks like vcr quality right now. I was expecting better video quality, especially given the hardware its running on. Anu ideas?


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 10:42 am 
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Tune up your TV-Out. I proved to myself that the PVR-250 was capturing at a very good quality by burning a recording to DVD and playing it back in a commercial DVD player where it looked great. This was with my previous machine (Shuttle SN41G2 based) and the DVD made it obvious that the biggest quality hurdle to overcome was the output. When I upgraded to the new machine one of the first things I did was run nvidia-settings.

If you're using a 0.3 series IVTV driver check it's reputation over in the IVTV forums, mailing list archives and the like. Some of them have quality problems with various card version or tuners.

Oh, and as always with A/V quality issues, check your cables. Not just that the connections are good, and that you're using screw on rather than push on coax connectors, and good quality cables, not cascading splitters or splitting too many ways, and ... but check routing to eliminate cross talk. There's more than one quality thread around here that starts "so I moved the system and the quality suddenly sucks" or ends "so I moved the system and the quality suddenly improved".


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I will try it out. Thanks for the tips!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:47 pm 
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I have tried running nvidia-settings, and this helped a little with my Xserver picture quality, but the video playback while in the "Watch TV" mode is still not that great. I havent tried watching a DVD or anything yet, but I am sure the quality will be similar. I am confident that the problem is the quality of the TV out. I have a Geforce 6800 GT connected to my TV via S-video. I am using 0.3.7k version of ivtv. I read about using nvtv to adjust the TV out settings, but nvtv shows "no cards supported" (running it as root). I think I need to adjust the modelines in the XF86Config-4. Right now I am running at 800x600. Any other suggestions? Anyone have experience using the video card for TV out?


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nvtv doesn't support the newer nvidia cards. someone recently posted a link to a program that does I believe it's called yanc

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You know it someone would provide detailed instructions on something to setup TV out, etc. Which ever program is the best, recommended may get included in a new release.... Just a thought.

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