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 Post subject: Wireless Keyboard Woes
PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:51 pm 
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Just got my mini RF wireless keyboard from the geeks.com sale a few days ago - nice little unit.

I was hoping to use it in conjunction with my StreamZap IR remote, but there seems to be some conflict going on.

When I have the StreamZap plugged in, I can only use the joystick mouse on the keyboard - the keys themselves don't respond. If I unplug the Streamzap and reboot then the wireless keyboard works fine.

They keyboard doesn't use any special driver - it must look like a regular keyboard to Linux. It does NOT use LIRC AFAIK.

I don't think there is any transmission conflict either since one is IR and the other is RF but I'm not sure what is going on here. I don't see any obvious errors in the logs.

Here's the output from /proc/bus/usb/devices:
Code:
T:  Bus=04 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=480 MxCh= 6
B:  Alloc=  0/800 us ( 0%), #Int=  0, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=01 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.11.9-chw-2 ehci_hcd
S:  Product=VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:10.3
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=e0 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=256ms

T:  Bus=03 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
B:  Alloc= 93/900 us (10%), #Int=  1, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.11.9-chw-2 uhci_hcd
S:  Product=VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (#3)
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:10.2
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms

T:  Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#=  3 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=05c7 ProdID=7001 Rev= 1.00
S:  Manufacturer=Itron
S:  Product=Presenter
C:* #Ifs= 2 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr= 40mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usbhid
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   4 Ivl=10ms
I:  If#= 1 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=03(HID  ) Sub=01 Prot=01 Driver=usbhid
E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   8 Ivl=10ms

T:  Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
B:  Alloc=  0/900 us ( 0%), #Int=  0, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.11.9-chw-2 uhci_hcd
S:  Product=VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (#2)
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:10.1
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms

T:  Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
B:  Alloc=118/900 us (13%), #Int=  1, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0000 ProdID=0000 Rev= 2.06
S:  Manufacturer=Linux 2.6.11.9-chw-2 uhci_hcd
S:  Product=VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller
S:  SerialNumber=0000:00:10.0
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms

T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=01 Cnt=01 Dev#=  3 Spd=1.5 MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=0e9c ProdID=0000 Rev= 1.00
S:  Manufacturer=Streamzap, Inc.
S:  Product=Streamzap Remote Control
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=80 MxPwr= 50mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=lirc_streamzap
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   8 Ivl=10ms


See any conflicts there?

Where else should I look?

Thanx!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:32 pm 
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USB keyboards... 8-/ Unplugging it and replugging it may help. You may also get some relief by fiddling with your BIOS.

BTW - USB keyboards and mice are on my "not recommended" list, along with SATA drives as your boot device (for install and boot problems), motherboards with Via chipsets (DMA problems), and ATI video cards (TV Out difficulties).


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:49 pm 
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tjc wrote:
You may also get some relief by fiddling with your BIOS.

Sweet.

I just disabled something called "EHCI" in the BIOS and everything is working now. 8)

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:36 pm 
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Ugh. Thought I should update this thread.

My RF wireless USB keyboard went wacko again shortly after my last post.

I guess the BIOS trick didn't really work. It was probably from plugging and unplugging stuff. It seems the order you do this is important for some reason. :?

I'm betting the problem has something to do with the fact that both the joystick mouse and keyboard connect to the USB receiver which is plugged into a single USB port. I'll bet the HID driver gets confused as to whether it's a mouse or keyboard. Rats.

It does work sometimes, however. Especially if I unplug the StreamZap remote.

I hope the USB drivers get updated in the next release.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:58 pm 
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And if they don't? Is an updated USB driver the solution to your problem?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:22 pm 
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cesman wrote:
And if they don't? Is an updated USB driver the solution to your problem?

Dunno. That would be my guess.

Any better ideas?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:05 pm 
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How are you do the legwork and let me know. If you find a solution before the new release, I'll incorporate it.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:01 pm 
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gummybear wrote:
I'm betting the problem has something to do with the fact that both the joystick mouse and keyboard connect to the USB receiver which is plugged into a single USB port. I'll bet the HID driver gets confused as to whether it's a mouse or keyboard. Rats.


Do you mean a USB Hub? If so, it may not be able to supply power to all the devices you have plugged into it.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:29 pm 
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Luthair wrote:
Do you mean a USB Hub? If so, it may not be able to supply power to all the devices you have plugged into it.

No, it's plugged directly into the case.

But it is something to think about. I've got a pretty wimpy power supply but I wouldn't expect the wireless receiver to use all that much power...

The front usb ports are connected to the mobo via a short cable and the rear ports are soldered directly on the board.

I will try switching stuff around just for the heck of it.

Thanks.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:27 pm 
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What does this mean then:
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USB receiver which is plugged into a single USB port


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:32 pm 
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Luthair wrote:
What does this mean then:
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USB receiver which is plugged into a single USB port

:?

It's wireless USB receiver (dongle?) which plugs into a single usb port and accepts the input from the wireless keyboard which has a built in joystick mouse.

See here:

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 Post subject: Ione Itron Scorpius P-20
PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:46 pm 
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I'm still in the hardware collection phase of my install.. I just bought the same keyboard + mouse combo as you, but didn't realize it until I saw your pic.

I'd like to know if you had any luck with it. I haven't been able to use it at all so far. (but I've only tested with v3.6 of Knoppix (not KnoppMyth)

Please let me know what your findings are.
Thanks!

JB


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:12 pm 
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It works. I just couldn't get both the wireless keyboard and my streamzap remote to work at the same time without constantly fiddling with it.

Now I just use the streamzap with Myth and I use that keyboard with my Windoze based PVR.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:20 am 
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I bought a Hauppauge PVR-350 and a pcHDTV-3000 card. The 350 has a remote and I plan to use it, so hopefully I won't have the same interoperability issue that you did.

When you were using it with your KnoppMyth box, did you do you install with a wired keyboard and then move to wireless or did the Ione keyboard+mouse work right from day one?


Thanks!
JB


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:50 am 
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Yeah, it might work in your case.

I recommend you install with a wired PS/2 keyboard and then try switching to the wireless keyboard after you get most everything else working.


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