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 Posted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:28 pm |
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tjimenez87 wrote: I had to do an alsaconf, and it found the card easily and everything worked without a hitch.
I tried alsaconf and asked for it to probe legacy ISA. Still no sound and aplay -l gives the same error message as I posted a couple of posts ago.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:46 am |
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another thing I just understood (from
http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/RealtekALC )
it seems that ALC888 may be connected to the Nvidia chip on my mobo. in that case, it can be driven using the Alsa kernel module which supports the Nvidia interface. moreover, in such cases the system will appear to contain a Nvidia soundcard!!
this explains why when i attempted the mythdora installation, it was the nVidia card that made the audio work.
just thought this may help resolving the issue!
ok time to go to sleep....... night night....
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:38 am |
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found on another thread that i should run
./configure --with-cards=intel8x0 --with-sequencer=yes
in alsa-driver, instead of just ./configure.
managed to install alsa's 1.0.14 driver, lib, and utils.
still aplay -l gives no soundcards detected.....
now i'm going to sleep.. for real!!!
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:09 am |
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:12 am |
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fra wrote: found on another thread that i should run
./configure --with-cards=intel8x0 --with-sequencer=yes
in alsa-driver, instead of just ./configure.
managed to install alsa's 1.0.14 driver, lib, and utils.
still aplay -l gives no soundcards detected.....
Try rebooting after installing the drivers. You could also make them load with modprobe, but I'm not sure which module/driver you need. The boot process should figure it out for you, thoough. _________________ KnoppMyth R5.5
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:24 am |
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Human wrote: Try rebooting after installing the drivers. You could also make them load with modprobe, but I'm not sure which module/driver you need. The boot process should figure it out for you, thoough.
i did reboot and it didn't work. maybe i should load the realtek drivers. i, for some reason, thought the alsa drivers would be enough! i'll try realtek's drivers this afternoon (when i'm back from work).
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:30 am |
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Human wrote: fra wrote: result:
aplay: device_list:222: no soundcards found...
even though i have Realtek ALC888 on board. maybe i need to update alsa's driver?? That is an indicator that there's no driver loaded for your card. Did you try downloading and installing these? ftp://209.216.61.149/pc/audio/realtek-l ... 6b.tar.bz2to install i should do the usual configure, make, then make install, right?
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:36 am |
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nevermind. it has alsa drivers in it AND a readme file.
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:43 am |
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realtek's pack basically has the alsa driver i installed yesterday!!! it reinstalled it, ran alsacof, which again didn't detect the card and probed around, then said (just like yesterday) that everything is now configured.
yet, aplay -l still gives the same error message, alsamixer says No such device, and i have no audio!
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:10 am |
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You may just have to do some google searching to see if you can find a definitive solution. From what I read here ( http://www.linuxinsight.com/running_lin ... omment-537 ) it indicates that any 2.6.18 kernel with CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL enabled should work, so it's puzzling that R5F27 isn't working for you since R5F27's kernel was configured to build your sound device's driver as a module, so it should just work 
If you run 'dmesg | grep -i -C4 alc' do you see anything about your sound device? _________________ KnoppMyth R5.5
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 9:46 am |
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Human wrote: You may just have to do some google searching to see if you can find a definitive solution. From what I read here ( http://www.linuxinsight.com/running_lin ... omment-537 ) it indicates that any 2.6.18 kernel with CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL enabled should work, so it's puzzling that R5F27 isn't working for you since R5F27's kernel was configured to build your sound device's driver as a module, so it should just work If you run 'dmesg | grep -i -C4 alc' do you see anything about your sound device? I'll try that when I get back home. Any reason why MythDora 4.0 could find the card (although it wasn't what MythDora had for default. it was detected as an nVidia card), and KM can't? Could it be the newer kernel? I really doubt that!! Pretty much everything I've seen so far works with 2.6.18!!
How are cards usually detected? What if KM looked for the same thing MythDora looked for initially? In MythDora's case, it gave me options and I switched to the nVidia card and it worked. KM never did that. So what if at reboot it always tries what MythDora tried first?
I just don't know how the process goes and how to tell KM to try the nVidia card!
Also, what's puzzling is that alsaconf, after probing for legacy ISA, claims everything got detected and installed and says it'll use amixer to raise the volume then says it'll play a sound for me (which I never hear!) and never gives any error messages. says ENJOY! but after that there's still no audio, aplay, alsamixer, and amixer give the same error messages as before (no cards detected and no such device).
Another thing that's puzzling is that there was no mention of audio issues on ANY of the newegg reviews! People complained about video and LAN not working with linux, but LAN worked right away for me and you saw how we sorted out the video in an "almost" straightforward manner! So why am I the only one having problems with audio???????
Anyway.. I'll keep looking around. Audio is really the last hurdle! I think after that, all the other issues are small and I pretty much have an idea of how to resolve them. Grrrrrrr
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:11 am |
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My vague understanding of kernel modules is that they load when they (or something that loads them) sees a device that they work with. That's why it's generally safe to build everything as modules, since only the modules that you need are loaded. For whatever reason, KnoppMyth doesn't seem to have a driver that works with your device. Maybe someone more conversant in driver problems can offer some input?
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:15 am |
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Human wrote: My vague understanding of kernel modules is that they load when they (or something that loads them) sees a device that they work with. That's why it's generally safe to build everything as modules, since only the modules that you need are loaded. For whatever reason, KnoppMyth doesn't seem to have a driver that works with your device. Maybe someone more conversant in driver problems can offer some input?
could it be simply a permissions issue?!!! i'll try this later this afternoon..
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions ... ?p=2886639
In the lspci -vv file i sent you, I see:
Code: 00:07.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 055c (rev a1) Subsystem: Biostar Microtech Int'l Corp Unknown device 820c Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- Latency: 0 (500ns min, 1250ns max) Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5 Region 0: Memory at fe024000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2 Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+) Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME- Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask+ 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable- Address: 0000000000000000 Data: 0000 Masking: 00000000 Pending: 00000000 Capabilities: [6c] HyperTransport: MSI Mapping This does mean the sound card is detected, right?
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:19 am |
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fra wrote: could it be simply a permissions issue?!!! i'll try this later this afternoon.. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions ... ?p=2886639That seems unlikely, but it's worth a shot. fra wrote: In the lspci -vv file i sent you, I see:
[...]This does mean the sound card is detected, right?
Not in any way that helps  I don't know of any onboard hardware that won't at least appear in lspci results. The real key is getting a driver that sees your device and says, "Oh, I need to load for that." _________________ KnoppMyth R5.5
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Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:39 am |
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Human wrote: Not in any way that helps I don't know of any onboard hardware that won't at least appear in lspci results. The real key is getting a driver that sees your device and says, "Oh, I need to load for that." Oh OK. I found a few websites that discuss this issue. I'll go over them tonight and see what happens!
Just for the record:
it looks like there's more to installing the drivers than i did:
http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index. ... e-intel8x0
(some permissions and the such may need to be changed..)
but, in any case, i ran an auto install of the realtek driver (which basically had the same alsa drivers) and that one should do all that is necessary.. so i doubt it's a "missing installation" issue. but it MAY be a simple permissions issue as the post i mentioned earlier indicated. well.. at least i hope it's that simple (maybe that's why devices are not found! simply 'cause i'm "not allowed" to use the ones that are there!)
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php? ... sound+card
(nice troubleshooting guide)
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449&page=56
(and then some additions to the guide by people who had further problems)
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=17882
(may help figuring out which modules to load for my specific card)
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